Hi,
ja, hab ich vor Ort extra noch einmal kontrolliert. Der Router hängt ein paar Straßen weiter unterm Dach in der Unterkunft.
Ich komme im Moment von hier zu Hause per ssh aus dem FF Netz auf den Router muehlen-04. Wenn kein VPN Tunnel existiert, dürfte das doch gar nicht gehen, oder?
Martin
Am 12.11.2016 um 15:40 schrieb Stefan via Nordwest:
Hi,
der Router versucht nicht mal einen tunnel aufzubauen. Ist im Configmode der Haken für meshvpn drin?
Am 12. November 2016 15:36:07 MEZ, schrieb Martin Brehme via Nordwest nordwest@lists.ffnw.de:
Hier mal logread. Ich kann das aber nicht lesen. Mir fehlen da Netzwerkgrundlagen. Sat Nov 12 15:07:35 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: authenticated Sat Nov 12 15:07:35 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: associated (aid 1) Sat Nov 12 15:07:55 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:07:55 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:07:55 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:07:57 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:07:57 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:08:41 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: authenticated Sat Nov 12 15:08:41 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: associated (aid 1) Sat Nov 12 15:08:57 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:08:57 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:08:59 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:08:59 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:09:31 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:09:31 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:09:31 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:10:02 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:10:33 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:10:34 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:10:34 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:11:07 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:11:07 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:11:11 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: authenticated Sat Nov 12 15:11:11 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: authenticated Sat Nov 12 15:11:11 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: associated (aid 1) Sat Nov 12 15:11:36 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:11:38 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:11:38 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:11:38 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:11:38 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:11:38 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:12:11 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:12:12 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:12:12 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:12:15 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: authenticated Sat Nov 12 15:12:15 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: associated (aid 1) Sat Nov 12 15:12:43 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:12:45 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: authenticated Sat Nov 12 15:12:45 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: associated (aid 1) Sat Nov 12 15:13:15 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:13:15 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:13:44 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:13:47 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:13:47 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:14:16 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:14:16 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:14:19 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:14:19 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:14:19 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:14:47 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:14:51 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:14:53 2016authpriv.info <http://authpriv.info> dropbear[2394]: Exit (root): Keepalive timeout Sat Nov 12 15:15:23 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:15:54 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:15:54 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:15:54 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:23 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:16:23 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:27 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:16:27 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:27 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:27 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:27 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:56 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:16:56 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:16:56 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:17:28 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:18:02 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:18:03 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:18:13 2016authpriv.info <http://authpriv.info> dropbear[4902]: Child connection from fd74:fdaa:9dc4:0:b066:c6f9:5c6b:3689:40922 Sat Nov 12 15:18:27 2016 authpriv.notice dropbear[4902]: Pubkey auth succeeded for 'root' with key md5 xyz Sat Nov 12 15:18:31 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: disassociated due to inactivity Sat Nov 12 15:18:32 2016daemon.info <http://daemon.info> hostapd: client0: STA 8c:bf:a6:f8:de:a8 IEEE 802.11: deauthenticated due to inactivity (timer DEAUTH/REMOVE) Sat Nov 12 15:18:32 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:19:03 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:19:03 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:03 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:03 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:03 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:03 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:33 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:19:33 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:35 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:19:35 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:19:35 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:20:07 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:20:38 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:20:39 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:20:39 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:21:40 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:21:41 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:22:09 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:22:09 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:22:12 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:22:12 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:22:44 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:22:44 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:22:44 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:22:44 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:23:16 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:23:16 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:23:44 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:23:47 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:23:47 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:23:47 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:24:19 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:24:19 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:24:51 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:24:51 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:25:19 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:25:19 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:25:19 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:25:23 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:25:23 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:25:23 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:26:24 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:26:53 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:26:56 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:27:29 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:28:31 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:29:01 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:29:02 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:29:02 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:30:00 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:30:00 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:30:04 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:30:32 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:30:33 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sat Nov 12 15:30:36 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:31:07 2016 user.notice firewall: Reloading firewall due to ifupdate of client (br-client) Sat Nov 12 15:31:07 2016 daemon.warn fastd[1351]: sendmsg: Operation not permitted Am 12.11.2016 um 15:12 schrieb Stefan via Nordwest: Moin, der Router hat anscheinend keinen tunnel. Was sagt die logread Ausgabe? Am 12. November 2016 15:10:58 MEZ, schrieb Martin Brehme via Nordwest <nordwest@lists.ffnw.de>: Hallo, bin gerade bei uns in der Flüchtlingsunterkunft gewesen um dort zwei Router zu installieren. Leider gehen die nicht online. Der eine Router (mueheln-04) ist per Kabel an einer Fritzbox. Der zweite Router (muehlen-05) mesht mit dem ersten. Wenn ich mich mit dem FF Wlan verbinde komme ich per ssh auf die Router. Hier mal ifconfig und route von dem Router der per Kabel an der FritzBox hängt. Was kann ich jetzt als nächstes machen? Martin BusyBox v1.23.2 (2016-07-10 17:32:56 CEST) built-in shell (ash) _______ __ ___ __ | ___|.----.-----.|__|.' _|.--.--.-----.| |--. | ___|| _| -__|| || _|| | | || < |___| |__| |_____||__||__| |_____|__|__||__|__| _______ __ Freie Netze Fuer alle! __ | | |.-----.----.--| |.--.--.--.-----.-----.| |_ | || _ | _| _ || | | | -__|__ --|| _| |__|____||_____|__| |_____||________|_____|_____||____| ####################################################### _______ ________ __ | |.-----.-----.-----.| | | |.----.| |_ | - || _ | -__| || | | || _|| _| |_______|| __|_____|__|__||________||__| |____| |__| W I R E L E S S F R E E D O M ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHAOS CALMER (Chaos Calmer, r47335) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ root@ffnw-Muehlen-04:~# ifconfig bat0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 60:E3:27:B7:F1:D8 inet6 addr: fe80::62e3:27ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:221 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:187 errors:0 dropped:66 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:28087 (27.4 KiB) TX bytes:24111 (23.5 KiB) br-client Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 60:E3:27:B7:F1:D8 inet6 addr: fd74:fdaa:9dc4:0:62e3:27ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Global inet6 addr: fe80::62e3:27ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:449 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:74 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:59600 (58.2 KiB) TX bytes:11390 (11.1 KiB) br-wan Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 62:E4:27:B7:F1:D8 inet addr:192.168.178.70 <http://192.168.178.70> <http://192.168.178.70> Bcast:192.168.178.255 <http://192.168.178.255> <http://192.168.178.255> Mask:255.255.255.0 <http://255.255.255.0> <http://255.255.255.0> inet6 addr: fe80::60e4:27ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:625 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:222 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:98541 (96.2 KiB) TX bytes:33859 (33.0 KiB) client0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 62:E5:28:B7:F1:D8 inet6 addr: fe80::60e5:28ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:222 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:306 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:37701 (36.8 KiB) TX bytes:41585 (40.6 KiB) eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 62:E4:28:B7:F1:D8 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:5 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 60:E3:27:B7:F1:D9 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:738 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:218 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:114071 (111.3 KiB) TX bytes:33491 (32.7 KiB) Interrupt:4 ibss0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 62:E6:28:B7:F1:D8 inet6 addr: fe80::60e6:28ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1532 Metric:1 RX packets:706 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:905 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:66025 (64.4 KiB) TX bytes:97465 (95.1 KiB) lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 <http://127.0.0.1> <http://127.0.0.1> Mask:255.0.0.0 <http://255.0.0.0> <http://255.0.0.0> inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:65536 Metric:1 RX packets:1294 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1294 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:126199 (123.2 KiB) TX bytes:126199 (123.2 KiB) local-node Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 16:41:95:40:F7:DC inet addr:10.18.0.127 <http://10.18.0.127> <http://10.18.0.127> Bcast:10.18.255.255 <http://10.18.255.255> <http://10.18.255.255> Mask:255.255.0.0 <http://255.255.0.0> <http://255.255.0.0> inet6 addr: fd74:fdaa:9dc4::127/128 Scope:Global inet6 addr: fe80::1441:95ff:fe40:f7dc/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:160 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:9 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:16915 (16.5 KiB) TX bytes:966 (966.0 B) mesh-vpn Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 62:E7:27:B7:F1:D8 inet6 addr: fe80::60e7:27ff:feb7:f1d8/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1312 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:440 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:500 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:34132 (33.3 KiB) root@ffnw-Muehlen-04:~# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface default 192.168.178.1 <http://192.168.178.1> <http://192.168.178.1> 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 br-wan 10.18.0.0 <http://10.18.0.0> <http://10.18.0.0> * 255.255.0.0 <http://255.255.0.0> <http://255.255.0.0> U 0 0 0 local-node 192.168.178.0 <http://192.168.178.0> <http://192.168.178.0> * 255.255.255.0 <http://255.255.255.0> <http://255.255.255.0> U 0 0 0 br-wan 192.168.178.1 <http://192.168.178.1> <http://192.168.178.1> * 255.255.255.255 <http://255.255.255.255> <http://255.255.255.255> UH 0 0 0 br-wan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nordwest mailing list Nordwest@lists.ffnw.de https://lists.ffnw.de/mailman/listinfo/nordwest -- vg Stefan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nordwest mailing list Nordwest@lists.ffnw.de https://lists.ffnw.de/mailman/listinfo/nordwest ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nordwest mailing list Nordwest@lists.ffnw.de https://lists.ffnw.de/mailman/listinfo/nordwest
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